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East Coast Offense: 2008 East Coast Offense-Week 6

Chris Liss

Chris Liss

Chris Liss is RotoWire's Managing Editor and Host of RotoWIre Fantasy Sports Today on Sirius XM radio.

East Coast Offense

By Christopher Liss
RotoWire Managing Editor



Buy Lowest

Marion Barber hasn't done much the last two weeks, and Adrian Peterson did nothing on Monday night in a game where the Vikings scored 30 points. Unfortunately, no one's going to sell either of those players to you at a discount (if at all). What about Calvin Johnson, who's had two quiet weeks and now might be playing with Drew Stanton under center? I'd be surprised if you got him for less than 95 cents on the dollar. Braylon Edwards or Steven Jackson, you'd probably still have to pay 90. In more competitive leagues (and in 2008, that's probably most of them) the only players you can get at a steep discount are ones most people have written off. Randy Moss after the Dolphins game was a good target. Larry Johnson was a good target three weeks ago when he was yielding carries in a terrible offense. But what about right now? Here are a few I'd target: Torry Holt, Derek Anderson, Marc Bulger, Chad Johnson, Carson Palmer, Ryan Grant and Willis McGahee.

Why do I think all of those players will rebound? I don't. I'm agnostic about all of them, but I know they've performed well in the past, they're healthy enough to play for now, and they're still getting opportunities. No one knows whether Derek Anderson or Torry Holt will actually bounce back. But the difference between the savvy owner and the less savvy one, is that the former is self aware about his lack of knowledge, while the latter makes an informed guess and mistakes it for fact. With veteran players off to slow starts, coming off injuries or playing for bad teams, that guess is often: "This guy's toast." If that's the direction an owner's guessing in, you can usually use his false certainty against him and acquire that player on the cheap.

This won't work as easily for younger players like Edwards or Calvin Johnson who have a lot of big days ahead of them. You need to target players that even you have doubts about. (That's why I picked the above group). If it's obvious to you that the player will break out any week now, then it's obvious to everyone else, and you won't really get a discount - except in novice leagues.

The other thing that always makes me laugh is when people cite a player's terrible offensive line or bad quarterback as a reason that he'll never be worth anything. What about Ronnie Brown - coming off an ACL tear, in a timeshare and playing for a 1-15 team with a retread quarterback with no arm and bad receivers? Brown looks like a borderline top-10 RB now. And how about Matt Forte heading into the year with Kyle Orton as his QB and a terrible receiving corps? He also looks like a borderline top-10 back.

The key is realize that most decent players will thrive in the right situation. And the situations in which players find themselves are fluid - much more so than we imagine when we say to ourselves that the Lions, Chiefs and Raiders are hopeless. The best case scenario is to buy an explosive player in an apparently bad situation at a deep discount.

Incidentally, one player I didn't mention was Roy Williams because I think he's got attitude issues - for the first time in his life, he's not the top dog on his own team, and that team is terrible (right now), to boot. This probably means you should go out and get him, since even I'm jumping to a conclusion about him.


Kornheiser vs. Jaws

There was a great moment in the Monday night game when Tony Kornheiser was talking about how Vikings owner Zygi Wilf listens to talk radio to get an idea of what people think about his team (and how this is bad for coach Brad Childress), and Ron Jaworski replied: "Anyone who's going to make decisions based on talk radio should not be in the position of owning a team." This was classic because Kornheiser is always pushing the public perception angle, and Jaws always counters with the facts. For Kornheiser, when Reggie Bush scored two touchdowns, "A Star is Born," or when Aaron Rodgers took over the job for Green Bay, everyone will compare everything he does to Favre. Kornheiser tells us that Jerry Jones has done a great job making the Cowboys the most popular brand in the NFL, omitting that they haven't won a playoff game in more than 10 years. He's like a political pundit who doesn't care about the substance of the debate but rather how it played in "middle America." If Jaws were a political pundit, he'd tell you who won on the issues. We need more Jaws in this country, less Kornheiser.


More Brad Childress Stupidity

Last week we ripped Childress for punting away the game rather than making an effort to score, and this week he (and Sean Payton) might have topped that. With 1:11 to go in a tie game, the Vikings had the ball on the Saints 14 yard line, and the Saints had two timeouts left. The obvious thing to do was run one play to the kicker's favored hash mark, and then two kneel downs for a chip shot field goal to win the game. New Orleans would be forced to use both timeouts and have about 11 seconds left to mount a drive. Instead, the Vikings handed off to Adrian Peterson three times, and Peterson looked like he was trying to score a touchdown. Of course, the Saints let Childress off the hook by tackling Peterson. Why not let him score and have a minute-plus and two timeouts to score a game-tying touchdown, rather than 11 seconds to score the field goal?

The other boneheaded call by Childress (though not as obviously terrible) was his decision in the first quarter, down 7-0 on the road, to punt on 4th-and-6 from the Saints 36-yard line. I can understand not wanting to attempt a 53-yard field goal, but unless it's a Titans-Ravens type game, you have to go for it rather than punt. As it turns out, the Vikings punted for a touchback and netted 16 yards on the play. The very next play, Drew Brees threw a 52-yard bomb to Devery Henderson for a 1st-and-10 at the Vikings' 28.


Rod Marinelli hasn't earned the right to lie

It's one thing if two-time Super Bowl winner Mike Shanahan lies about which of his running backs will get the carries, or if three-time champ, Bill Belichick prevaricates on the injury report. I was even willing to cut good guy Tony Dungy some slack for lying about Marvin Harrison last year - at least he's won a Super Bowl and always makes the playoffs. But for Rod Marinelli, arguably the worst coach in the NFL, to tell us Rudi Johnson is starting only to start Kevin Smith instead - that's an insult I will not brook! If you're not serving the fans of the team you coach (and surely Lions fans cannot be happy), then you must at least be straight with the fantasy community. Otherwise, you'll be a pariah for millions, and for what?


Things to Take Away From Week 5


  • Randy Moss is back

    If New England is going to have any chance to succeed this year, they must make opposing teams fear the deep ball. The only way to do that is getting Moss involved. They will take their shots.

  • Marion Barber looks like the second-best back on his team

    Isn't it funny how the change of pace guy always seems so much better than the starter. Not too many people will knock Barber, but his YPC is down from 4.8 the last two seasons to 4.2 this year. Meanwhile Felix Jones has one less rushing touchdown, despite receiving less than one third of the carries, and is averaging 9.0 YPC. Perhaps defenses are keying on Barber as a starter in a way they didn't last year as a heavily-worked backup.


  • No Superstar Running Backs

    Right now, Michael Turner is the highest scoring back in standard leagues, and as good as he's been, a lot of his production came against the Chiefs and Lions. Reggie Bush is No. 2, but it's tough to count on him in non-PPR leagues with few goal-line carries and Deuce McAllister now getting healthy. Third is Frank Gore who's been reliable, but the 49ers offense has struggled to open holes. No. 4 Clinton Portis might be the most reliable - the focal point of a good team that's played a tough schedule. After that is Barber, rookie Matt Forte, Ronnie Brown, Adrian Peterson, whose offensive line isn't blocking like last season, Marshawn Lynch (3.6 YPC) and LaDainian Tomlinson (toe injury). It doesn't look like there's a true superstar fantasy back in the bunch. (A healthy Brian Westbrook might qualify).


  • The Dolphins are a mystery

    They've beaten last season's two AFC Championship teams (and sure, the Pats don't have Tom Brady, but they beat everyone else they've played). It's a great story, and it reminds us not to look at player names we've heard of on paper and draw firm conclusions about teams. There are no scrubs in the NFL - just ridiculous athletes we've heard of, and ridiculous ones we haven't heard of. Past performance counts for something, but it's far from dispositive. Actually, the Chargers and Pats are a mysteries, too at this point.


  • The Redskins are pretty good

    The upset win over Dallas could have been a one-time burst of inspiration, but they manhandled the Eagles in exactly the same way - also on the road. They have good balance, and Jason Campbell is making good decisions (zero turnovers so far this year).



Things to watch for in Week 6

  • How New England fares in San Diego

    The Pats are 3-1, but their wins have been against mediocre competition. Even though San Diego's been erratic, a win there would go a long way to solidifying the Pats' contender status.

  • Will the Rams and/or Lions put up a fight

    The two worst teams in the league to date can't simply get annihilated game after game. But is this the week the teams finally get going?

  • Will the Cowboys continue to look beatable as they travel to Arizona where the Cardinals are tough?

  • Will the Colts pull out another miracle (and the win over the Texans was nothing short of one) against a Ravens squad that proved it can slug it out with anyone?


Beating the Book

The Cardinals covered last week, which puts us at 5-0 against the spread in this forum so far this season. We're 42-29 overall.

Packers +2 at Seahawks


No team fared worse than the Seahawks last week, and as expected, their stock was punished by the Book, which installed them as a mere two-point favorites at home against a reeling Green Bay squad. Of course, this line would have been even more favorable had Green Bay not itself lost to Atlanta, but Seattle's a different team at home, and Matt Hasselbeck has another week to work with top wideout Bobby Engram. Back the Seahawks.

Seahawks 24 - 20

We were 6-10 in this forum last year, but 127-120 on the season overall. From 1999-2007 we're 1184-1018 (53.8%, not including ties).

The full article comes out on Thursday morning.


Surviving Week 6

Our top two choices (Dallas and Carolina) both won, though had Chris Perry not fumbled, the Cowboys might have been in trouble. This week there are two more "easy" choices, the Redskins and the Vikings, though it's worth choosing carefully because anything can happen in the NFL.

We're going with the Redskins here. The Rams seem more likely to bounce back than the Lions, but we'd rather back the better team (Washington) than bet against the lesser team (Detroit). Moreover, Detroit, like Minnesota, plays in a dome, and they're division rivals, which is a bit of an equalizer. Of course, we reserve the right to change our minds in the full article. We give Washington an 87 percent chance to win this game.

The full article comes out Thursday.

Article first appeared 10/7/08