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Players I Don't Own
Posted by Chris Liss at 5/7/2008 3:11:00 PM
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I'm in five leagues, so I own quite a few players. Of course, I do try to consolidate as much as possible and double or triple up on certain guys - just makes it easier to root for certain guys, and besides, I don't want to be rooting for and against every player in the league. In any event, there are certain guys that didn't wind up on any of my teams - some because I didn't like them, and some just through the luck of the draw. Here are a few in no particular order:

  • Chase Utley
  • Lance Berkman
  • Justin Upton
  • Nate McLouth
  • Ervin Santana
  • Jake Peavy
  • Brandon Webb
  • Joe Saunders
  • Chipper Jones
  • Joey Votto
  • Conor Jackson
  • Derrek Lee
  • Geovany Soto
  • Hanley Ramirez
  • Rafael Furcal
  • Joakim Soria
  • Carlos Quentin
  • Eric Hinske
  • Pat Burrell
  • Carlos Zambrano
  • Edison Volquez

I have to be honest - I'm getting a bit sick of seeing the results from this group in the box scores. You never want to root for an injury - after all, it's a person's livelihood and just your fantasy team, but if five or six of them found the Lord and quit baseball to spread the Word (don't care which Lord or which Word), I'd be fine with that.


I can't believe you didn't get Hanley in any leagues given how you talked him up in preseason.

I'm SO sick of McLouth and Chipper, esp. since spianow has them in the staff league and is winning all of the hitting categories.

Joe Saunders will come back to earth. Same for Pat Burrell, Carlos Quentin, and Furcal.

Posted by MPStopa at 5/7/2008 3:26:00 PM
As a Mets fan, I hate the fact that Chipper Jones named one of his children Shea, because he has hit so many homeruns at that park.

But, Chris why don't you focus on the fantasy studs that you do own? I am sure if you are in five leagues, you have a few gems that deserve bragging rights. Since you did not mention him, I bet you own Kemp.

I am still a non-believer in Ervin Santana. Time will tell, but I wonder what his road ERA will be at the end of the season.

Posted by jhermann at 5/7/2008 4:04:00 PM
Remember it's not a sprint, it's a... uh oh someone's taking hostages. It's tough not to want to pull the trigger on some underproducing guys (drop/trade), but no one on this list will keep on the pace they are on (ok maybe Peavy will).
Posted by kevinccp at 5/7/2008 4:06:00 PM
I'm a diehard Pirates fan (i know giggle giggle) and I have to say Nate McLouth is driving me insane. I actually hate the guy a little bit right now...

I made a roster error on auction day and was really targeting McLouth as my final OF and thought I couldn't bid on him when he came up but it turns out I could have swapped an OF to CI, etc.... (This occurred because I tossed Brian Giles out there in an NL only league for 25 cents hoping to get someone to bid a bit of cash on him and the CRICKETS came out and I ended up with a guy I didnt' want...)

bottom line - my number one competitor ended up with McLouth instead of me and now McLouth is the best player in the history of baseball


Posted by billgoofnow at 5/7/2008 5:30:00 PM
It must be really tough to be a Pirates fan, because every time they have a talented player, the rumors fly that the player will get traded. Perhaps, it is time to have a real salary cap in BB to even the playing field. The Pirates, however, have a rich history of some great players, but my understanding is still that football dominates the sports scene.
Posted by jhermann at 5/7/2008 6:31:00 PM
Mark, don't know that Furcal 'totally' comes back to earth, he was due for a rebound. The Pirates screwed themselves (see any back blog) by trading for Morris. Outside of Snell, maybe Maholm on the backend, they have nothing (it would be a crime if they traded Capps). DON'T feel too sorry for Liss, I didn't notice Cliff Lee on his list, good lord shutting down the Yanks tonight, what's this world coming too? Lee leading the AL, Volquez leading the NL IN ERA, wow who would have seen this coming. But it's not a sprint...
Posted by kevinccp at 5/7/2008 6:51:00 PM
I jut traded McLouth for Dunn. This better be a sell high that works, but I'm having some serious doubts.
Posted by butteries at 5/7/2008 7:23:00 PM
I've got Cliff Lee in one league, it's true. But I had a chance to pick up him in my home league (missed the deadline - which is a long and boring story) and I could have traded for him very cheaply in LABR, but I'm an idiot and turned it down.

I've got some other guys doing well, but I do feel like I've missed the boat on most of the guys who are killing it early on. And that makes me pretty pissed.

I'll make another post on the guys I have - not that impressive for five leagues - at least early on.

I did manage to avoid some very slow starters, too.
Posted by cliss at 5/7/2008 7:34:00 PM
Chris keeps trying to trade for Hanley in the staff league... emphasis on trying.

I'm not convinced Quentin's going to fall back to earth. .280/.410/.580 is pretty close to the kind of numbers expected of him coming up through the D-backs system.
Posted by ESiegrist at 5/7/2008 8:22:00 PM
Quentin can't keep up his HR pace, can he? That's what I had in mind when I said he can't keep it up. I mean, he's never done anything close to this before, so I have to think he hits a rough patch at some point.
Posted by MPStopa at 5/7/2008 9:07:00 PM
I didn't get Hanley Ramirez because LABR is AL, Siegrist kept him in Staff, and in both yahoo leagues and my home league it was a draft, and I didn't pick early enough.
Posted by cliss at 5/7/2008 10:54:00 PM
Let's make one thing clear - the Pirates don't suck because of a lack of salary cap. They suck because their ownership and front office have truly sucked for a long time now.

Other than that, carry on.
Posted by Erickson at 5/7/2008 11:11:00 PM
jeff is right about that... If the pirates had drafted better they'd be every bit as good as the brewcrew right now. And don't tell me we didnt have the slot money to sign weiters last year, for example, because after skipping him as the obvious pick for moskos, we traded for Morris and that 14 million commitment. We blew the draft 12 straight years... That's why we suck
Posted by billgoofnow at 5/8/2008 4:42:00 AM
Oh and in addition. The Pirates have fully expressed the desire to move Nady in a trade - if we don't trade him NOW while he is leading the NL in RBI and is absolutely UNCONSCIOUS, that has to be considered a strike of sorts against the new management because there will NEVER be a time when Xavier Nady has more value than he does at this moment.
Posted by billgoofnow at 5/8/2008 4:55:00 AM
Chris, 3 of your 5 leagues are a draft? Yuck.
Posted by MPStopa at 5/8/2008 7:05:00 AM
Jeff is right. All teams have had some questionable selections over the years, but the Pirates' recent draft record is abominable. Let's take a quick look:

2007 - Daniel Moskos over Matt Wieters - last time I looked, Wieters had a .960 OPS. Not bad for a switch-hitting catcher

2006 - Brad Lincoln over Clayton Kershaw, Tim Lincecum, AND Max Scherzer. Incredible.

2005 - Andrew McCutcheon over Jay Bruce - okay, McCutcheon is a very good prospect, but Bruce is THE best prospect in the game.

2004 - Neil Walker over Jered Weaver and Billy Butler - Walker is a nice prospect, but I don't see him being more than an average offensive 3B. Too bad he couldn't stay at catcher.

2003 - Paul Maholm over Chad Billingsley - ok, to be fair, Billingsley wasn't ranked as highly as Maholm, but still...

2002 - Bryan Bullington over B.J. Upton - oops...ownership's fault though for taking the "safe" pick

2001 - John Van Benschoten over Casey Kotchman

Ok, probably not a fair analysis overall, but couldn't they have at least hit on a couple of these picks? Hopefully, for example, if Pedro Alvarez is still on the board at No. 2, they won't be scared off by Scott Boras.
Posted by vtadave at 5/8/2008 8:50:00 AM
Well, I can't help it. I wanted to be in just four leagues - ideally I'd be in two. But given the nature of my job, I'm going to be in the Yahoo Friends and Family (good league with plenty of activity and highly visible), my home league - I average about $400 profit a year from it, two auctions (Staff and LABR), and then I humored my buddy Brad Evans and joined his H to H league. So that's my five.

I like drafts, too, though I am bummed that certain NL players like Ramirez were simply unavailable to me. David Wright, too.
Posted by cliss at 5/8/2008 10:24:00 AM
I don't get it. In baseball, in both hitting and pitching at this level of play it comes down to micro-mechanics. If a player can adjust those mechanics slightly in the off-season they can go from a .260 hitter to a .300 hitter. 20 HRs to 35 HRs. 5 BB/9 to 2 BB/9 making all the difference in their performance. Who is to say that Cliff Lee had done some major remodeling in the off-season to deliver the numbers that he is delivering now? Why CAN'T McLouth continue this? Do you REALLY know if he is going to come down to earth? Everyone seems to believe that all players regress to their historic averages. Which, in most cases is true, but can't someone simply improve without the normal arc of age and experience? Why are we so hung up on a bell-curve (top 27 years old) statistical formulation.
Posted by rothenberg at 5/9/2008 6:33:00 AM

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