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Posted by Jeff Erickson at 10/8/2007 5:25:00 PM
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Anybody else have the same reaction to the replay of the Shoppach-HBP? When TBS showed the slo-mo, Bob Brenly said that the replay "clearly" reinforced the umpire's call. I thought that the replay was anything but clear, and maybe even pointing more towards the other direction.

That's another announcer pet peeve of mine (yes, I have a lot of them) - when they go with their original opinion and say that the replay backs that up, even if it doesn't necessarily do so.


So far the Indians are winning, 2-1, on controversial calls. The Shoppach-gate and the Hideki Matsui no-call on catcher's interference. The Yanks got one back on Froemming's no swing call on a third-strike swing by Doug Mientkiewicz. I must admit I am liking this high-stakes poker call on Joe Torre -- you lose and you're out, kinda fun. Jeff, at least you don't have your favorite announcer going tonight, a certain Reds HOF second baseman...
Posted by jtopper at 10/8/2007 5:51:00 PM
Yeah, generally speaking, I don't mind this crew. I think a combo of Joe Buck, Tim McCarver and Joe Morgan would be a sign of the apocalypse.

Posted by Erickson at 10/8/2007 5:54:00 PM
Ironic that Joe Torre could lose his job on a game broadcast by WTBS after leaving the WTBS booth and becoming the Yanks' manager. How many double plays has Jeter grounded into in the playoffs?
Posted by jtopper at 10/8/2007 7:19:00 PM
I hope you guys didn't catch any of this game on radio. Dusty Baker has been drive-off-the-road bad.

Posted by spianow at 10/8/2007 8:29:00 PM
***i***How many double plays has Jeter grounded into in the playoffs?***/I***

...yet Yankees fans will blame A-Rod once again.

Posted by kennruby at 10/9/2007 6:03:00 AM
Speaking of Yankee fans, I have been reading their message boards and I am reminded why I hate their team and their fan base. The talk over there is how they should "package" Wang for Johan Freaking Santana. They think they are entitled to the best players in baseball while giving up little in return. Sad thing is, they will probably get their wish.
Posted by bwitt at 10/9/2007 6:34:00 AM
In truth, every team has fans that think their club can trade 2-3 5s for a 10. That's certainly not limited to Yankee fans.
Posted by spianow at 10/9/2007 7:33:00 AM
The Yankees haven't won a playoff series in the last three trips, while A-Rod has gone 7-for-44 with one double, one homer, and one RBI (the homer and RBI last night). It's silly to suggest that it's all his fault, or even mostly his fault, but let's just say no one's going to be calling him Mr. October anytime soon.

His career in the playoffs: 39 games, 147 at-bats, 7 homers, 17 RBI, .279/.361/.483. For whatever you want to make of all that . . .

Posted by spianow at 10/9/2007 7:38:00 AM
Spianow--I disagree with you. Yankee fans have a mindset that they can have anyone they want and the current MLB economic system encourages this.
Posted by bwitt at 10/9/2007 9:04:00 AM
Funny you mentioned Dusty. I was in the car listening to Sunday's game and couldn't figure out who the mumbling, goofy, uninteresting "analyst" was. Turns out it was Dusty. Good thing Jon Miller was there to save the day with his near peerless (in my book at least) play-by-play.

On Arod and Jeter, playoff stats since Arod joined NYY:

Jeter: 6 2B, 4 HR, 16 RBI, 9 BB, 17 K, .291/.345/.466
Arod: 6 2B, 4 HR, 9 RBI, 14 BB, 22 K, .245/.372/.436

Pretty even, give or take, no?

Jeter: 24 AB, 12 RBI, .292/.308/.333
Arod: 20 AB, 2 RBI, .100/.250/.150

OK, but that's probably because no one pitches to Arod with RISP, right? So how about with 2 outs when pitchers have to pitch to him?

RISP w/ 2 out:
Jeter: 14 AB, 8 RBI, .357/.400/.429
Arod: 13 AB, 0 RBI, .000/.071/.000

Make of that what you will.

Posted by Jason Thornbury at 10/9/2007 10:16:00 AM
umm, why do pitchers "have to pitch to ARod" with 2 out and RISP? that situation seems begging for an IBB if first base is open, at least moreso than it would if there were 0 or 1 outs.
Posted by djbrown at 10/9/2007 12:11:00 PM
There's only one problem with your premise that the announcers stuck with their original premise in this example...Brenly and Gwynn both say that, as it happened, they thought it was a foul ball, both visually and from the sound of the ball hitting the bat. Neither ever make a prejudgment of what occurred during that entire sequence.

Yes, Brenly made a strangely definitive statement about whether the ball hit Shoppach's hand (though it did appear to barely glance off the hand before obviously contacting the bat), but I'm not sure what the point of the criticism is here. Brenly is about as good as baseball analysts get these days, and while commentators being stubborn in the face of visual evidence is pretty common, it sure didn't happen here.
Posted by lkkwak at 10/9/2007 1:48:00 PM
Let's face it. Jeter is in decline and A-Rod is not only closing in on Barry Bonds' home run number but also his postseason futility -- 58 at-bats without an RBI is pretty prolific.
Posted by jtopper at 10/9/2007 2:05:00 PM
You should read some of the Dodgers boards - "Colletti should offer LaRoche and Abreu for Santana. Twins would certainly do that". Stuff like that. But yeah, I'd agree that Yankees fans tend to take it to a different level.
Posted by vtadave at 10/9/2007 4:12:00 PM
Browns, yeah, good point. Didn't account for the possibility of first base being open, which is an obvious IBB situation. But he has no walks, intentional or otherwise, with RISP w/2outs, so apparently first base hasn't been open too often in that situation.

Posted by Jason Thornbury at 10/9/2007 8:26:00 PM

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