Telling the truth = standing ovations in Yankee Stadium and being lauded as an example of "doing the right thing".
Lying through your teeth = not only a legacy tarnished, but dragging your family down with you and becoming synonymous with Barry Bonds.
You'd think Clemens would have learned something from Jason Giambi and from spending so much time with his friend Andy Pettitte.
Posted by vtadave at 2/19/2008 9:12:00 AM |
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He still cheated/broke the law. He was a borderline HOFer, but this had to hurt him.
Unless the voters decided to just ignore the whole issue because it was so pervasive. Which I think is what happens years down the road. Then he's got a shot still, I think.
Posted by schoenke at 2/19/2008 10:04:00 AM |
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Pettitte came out only after he was forced to. I really don't think there's a need to praise the guy. Although, I must say he deserves more credit than LoDuca and crew for apologizing for the "distractions they may have caused their respective teams."
Posted by schwang2u at 2/19/2008 1:48:00 PM |
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If it truly was acting "as a foundation for moral and just behavior," Pettitte wouldn't have done it in the first place. Then, he wouldn't have told anyone but for the Mitchell report. Then, he wouldn't have had to admit he did it on 2 occasions (as he didn't do immediately after the release of the Mitchell report). I believe what he says above Roger Clemens, but that's about it -- he's lied too many times.
Posted by bscwik at 2/19/2008 2:20:00 PM |
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I agree with you, I just don't know the many things Pettitte's lied about.
Posted by schwang2u at 2/19/2008 2:36:00 PM |
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I think that you should do the moral and honorable thing and admit that you were really setting up a meth lab from the hotel room in Missouri.
Posted by Erickson at 2/19/2008 4:58:00 PM |
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hey, it was a long drive, and I had to stay awake.
Posted by cliss at 2/19/2008 8:19:00 PM |
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My problem with Pettite is that he threw his "good friend" under the bus. You know, the guy he talked back into pitching out of retirement more than once. I don't know about you guys, but it would take a lot for me to turn on a good friend, even if I knew he was wrong. Cheating aside, I'm a Yanks fan, and I don't think Pettite deserves the HOF. He was a great clutch pitcher, but never a dominate one consistently throughout the year. He wasn't even a #1 starter on his ball club, that I can think of.
Posted by kevinccp at 2/19/2008 8:41:00 PM |
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He had two outstanding years 1997 and 2003 (I think it was '03). And was runner up in the CY in 1996. He's got four rings, and could finish with 250 wins. I think he's in the discussion.
As for throwing Clemens under the bus, that was on Clemens - he was mentioned in the Mitchell report, and he wanted to bluff his way into a hearing. Pettitte was subpoenaed and told the truth. You can't throw McNamee under the bus when the guy was telling the truth, and Clemens, who created this mess, was lying.
Posted by cliss at 2/19/2008 10:02:00 PM |
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"[I]t would take a lot for me to turn on a good friend, even if I knew he was wrong."
Like the threat of a federal subpoena and prosecution?
Posted by bscwik at 2/19/2008 11:12:00 PM |
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Wow I'm glad you guys aren't my friends. My friends have told me a lot in confindence, enough so that I'm sure if threatened with anything I could say it came down to a he said/he said, and I don't remember what was said. Pettite could have done that, he took the road that saved his a$$ instead.
Posted by kevinccp at 2/20/2008 7:01:00 PM |
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