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Reds Trade Is Neifi Perez Bad
Posted by Peter Schoenke at 7/13/2006 10:18:00 PM
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Is the deal that saw the Reds trade Felipe Lopez, Austin Kearns and Ryan Wagner to Washington for relievers Gary Majewski and Bill Bray, infielders Royce Clayton and Brendan Harris, and pitching prospect Daryl Thompson the worst since KC couldn't figure out Neifi Perez's park effects? A young All Star shortstop and a good young outfielder, plus a recent #1 draft pick, for middle relievers? Plus even if the prospects are great and turn out to be superstars down the road, the Reds are trading two strong hitters in their lineup (and one at a key position) while they are just four games out of first place. This trade is so bad new Reds GM Wayne Krivsky risks getting the Paul DePodesta treatment even if the trade works out - i.e. trading popular players during a pennant race may be so unsettling that the fans and ultimately ownership revolt.


Lopez is painful to watch. He never gets a clutch hit and makes tons of errors. He has had just one good season.

Kearns will break something of his soon.

I trust Krivsky 100%.

Definitely not Neifi Perez bad.

Posted by OB1jakearoni at 7/14/2006 5:49:00 AM
What reason do you have to trust Krivsky 100%? His track record before this trade was good, but certainly short.
Posted by schoenke at 7/14/2006 6:41:00 AM
Lopez is .269/.432/.328 with runners in scoring position, about his baseline anyway, so his clutch hitting certainly isn't absurdly horrible with men on. Regardless of whether this deal was fair, the point about it being horrible is that presumably Cincinnati could have gotten overall better players for a couple of young established major leaguers who have had good years. And the party line is that they dealt a 26-year-old projected to hit .274-29-91 in Kearns and a guy projected to hit 17 homers and steal 42 bases for... Bill Bray, career-96/67-K/BB-ratio-Gary-Majewski, and Royce "I keep tricking them into signing me to another contract" Clayton? Maybe deal one or the other, but dealing both is absurd to get one true pitching prospect in return, and a reliever at that? Daryl Thompson is also just 19, but not having a terrific year. All indications are that the Reds missed the boat, but you never know I guess...
Posted by bscwik at 7/14/2006 9:28:00 AM
If this trade had been made in any fantasy or rotisserie league, it would surely be vetoed by the league as a whole. Terrible trade for the Reds.
Posted by TheGuv at 7/14/2006 9:57:00 AM
I agree, this was an awful trade. I couldn't believe it when I saw it. What baffles me the most is that another team didn't swoop in and offer a better package. I mean the Red Sox need an offensive shortstop to spell Gonzalez and they have prospects. Ditto for the Tigers.
Posted by IronChef24 at 7/14/2006 10:05:00 AM
I should clarify my Tigers comment. They have Guillen, but I'm not sold on either him or Polanco. Lopez could have been nice for them as well as Kearns and Wagner just last year was a top prospect.
Posted by IronChef24 at 7/14/2006 10:07:00 AM
Um, not sold on Guillen? He's 3rd among all SS in OPS (.875), just behind Jeter. 2nd if you don't count Steady Freddy Sanchez, who's really not a FT SS. What exactly aren't you sold on, other than his questionable durability. He's as well-rounded offensively as any SS. And he already did it in '04.

Felipe Lopez, I'm not sure what to make of him. His GB% in 2005 indicated his HR breakout might not be for real. He's proving that this year. Kearns still gets jammed constantly and loves to beat outside pitches into the left side of the IF. The days of 2003 when he pounded everything to all fields is mysteriously long gone. And this is the longest he's been healthy since he was an infant. I agree this was a poor return, but it wasn't remotely All-Star quality that they were trading away.
Posted by lkkwak at 7/14/2006 6:26:00 PM

Posted by OB1jakearoni at 7/15/2006 7:45:00 AM
You provided Lopez's numbers w/ runners in scoring position. Those numbers don't completely describe hitting in the clutch. What are his numbers when there are runners in scoring position while his team is trailing?

As far as the trade being vetoed in fantasy what. There is a reason they call it "fantasy" baseball. Middle relievers aren't typically key contributors.

I agree...the return could have been better but the trade isn't as bad as what the media is saying. The Reds greatly improved their bullpen over the last 2 weeks. The team's offense won't miss a beat. Krivsky hasn't been around long but everything he's done so far has been good...that's why I trust him.
Posted by OB1jakearoni at 7/15/2006 7:58:00 AM
Depending on the type of league you are in, middle relievers can be very valuable for ERA, WHIP, Ks and Ws. That said, a terrible roto deal, and a bad MLB trade. Very nice deal for Washington, considering what they gave up.

I agree though, I'm a bit surprised Detroit wasn't in on the handouts. Lopez would be Guillen insurance, nice flexibility in that he can play a few positions too. Lopez wouldn't have been a big part of a Detroit deal in my view, but Kearns, even with his injuries and having not lived up to his potential, would have been a really nice bat to add - Inge and Monroe don't scare anyone.

Anyway, very interesting deal.
Posted by mtlbob at 7/15/2006 8:42:00 PM
It's weird you look at the Nats lineup today and it ain't half bad, although, I'm sure it won't look that way next week with Soriano and Guillen said to be on the market.. To say the Reds greatly improved their bullpen with Guardado, Majewski, and Bray is nonsense. None of their numbers are that great. Guardado likely will retire at seasons end. So who's their closer going to be next year? Majewski? Coffey again? They solved a half a season problem by sending away alot of value other teams would have given them alot more for. I don't even need to say Royce Clayton's name. Oh wait I just did.
Posted by schwang2u at 7/15/2006 10:43:00 PM

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